Cliffs are giving me a headache.

[Jehal]

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Hello gentlemen.

This evening I threw myself into TS/FS map making.
Everything wen't like a dream until I confronted cliffs.

I was wondering if some of you have some tips and tricks for cliff placing, or would like to share your methods.

Thank you in advance. -Jehal

[Orac]

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Go into marble madness (framework) mode, and use the hotkey to display every tile on the same plane ("D" or "Ctrl + D" or something... I forget).
That's how I'd do it.

EDIT for D.

[RP]

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Ctrl-F

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[Lin Kuei Ominae]

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PPM has a mapping tutorials forum where you can find a tutorial about Cliff Errors, and how to fix 'em.

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RP wrote:

Ctrl-F

To clarify, Ctrl+F toggles the framework mode on/off. D (no need to push Ctrl even) does alter the map view by moving all tiles to the same level, just like Orac said. Can make placing cliffs bit easier in some cases.

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[RP]

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Why can't you add additional terrain types' marble terrain files to Marble.mix?
Default theaters are in there, but you cannot add new ones.

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[Jehal]

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Highly appreciated! I'll post whatever maps I'll make on PPM.

Thank you all for the help.

[DarkVen9109]

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RP my man you just solve my problem too it gave me tons of headaches in cliffs

[Jehal]

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Oh, I have one more question.

Is there a way to disable placing snapping?
The snapping is making it hard to place cliffs behind each other.

Thanks in advance.

[Lin Kuei Ominae]

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snapping? Don't really know what you mean. You can only press D to make the map view in flat mode, so you can easier place something behind a high area.

In the options menu you can also disable Auto-LAT, auto-Shore and Slope-Correction if that's what you mean.

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I've never used the flat mode, in complex maps it's only confusing. If you have trouble placing tiles behind cliffs, try the hide tools on the toolbar to hide the cliff pieces that are in your way. These tools are extremely handy.

If by "snapping" you mean that the cliff tiles you try to place don't align properly, try the aforementioned hide tools to hide the cliff pieces on the front.

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Yeah better to do the cliff backs first since going "back to font" causes that kind of 'snapping' effect. Pressing D temporarily puts all tiles on one level, like others have said, making it easier in those situations. Just remember not to overlap any parts of the cliffs while in that mode.

[Jehal]

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What I meant by snapping, is that it's hard to place cliffs behind cliffs that are in the way. I thought maybe you could disable the snapping, so that you can place on the grid, instead of ground level (ie. x,y,z).

As OmegaBolt says it's probably just best to start with the backsides of the cliffs. In any case, that is what works best as of now.

Thank you again for the fast support.

[Lin Kuei Ominae]

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You have a 2D interface and a 3D environment. Without camera rotation it's logical that there needs to be a different way to circumvent this, and this is either using the flat mode or the hide tile mode.

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[Jehal]

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I am used to work with 2D and isometric perspectives. I't's just that I'm not used to work in FinalSun. I'm getting the hang of the work flow fast.