TS boot up Image

Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

I dont know what it's called exactly but i know with alot of programs and games, when the game is starting up it shows the program logo or title. Red Alert 2 does this and would it be possible to get TS to do it? If so, could someone direct me to a tutorial on Youtube or something that could walk me through it?

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MrTweek · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:32 am Post subject:

Firestorm has an loading-image... (loading.pcx) when you start the Game that can be found in expand01.pcx tiberian Sun itself doesnt has any.

When you doesnt have the Excutable you can use the one from Firestorm 2.03-patch

Exley · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:18 am Post subject:

its called autorun dialog #Tongue

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

Its handled under SUN.EXE, but I 'think' was removed after the SafeDisk patches.

Its the .016 and .000 files that are windows bitmaps.

ChronoSeth · Sergeant **Joined**: 13 Mar 2010 **Location**: Canada

Am I the only one who really hates those things?

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^Rampastein · Rampastring **Joined**: 11 Oct 2008 **Location**: Gensokyo

ChronoSeth wrote:

Am I the only one who really hates those things?

You're not. I don't usually mind them (when the program is loading something while showing the splash screen), but with something like TS that can load to the main menu in less than a second it'd be useless and annoying.

IIRC the original release version of TS and the TFD one show a splash screen while checking for the disc, but the patched versions don't.

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

^Rampastein wrote:

IIRC the original release version of TS and the TFD one show a splash screen while checking for the disc, but the patched versions don't.

Blame SafeDisk.

Exley · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject:

I like that little autorun dialog
kinda wakes nostalgia in me before starting the game Smile

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Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

The boot up image isn't necessary, I just want to make it as professional as I can. I'm also going to make an installer for the game since I get people not knowing what to do to install for some reason...

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Exley · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:50 am Post subject:

it was at the time

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MrTweek · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject:

create an Bitmap and name it launcher.bmp and start ts via sun.exe or write an extra launcher-excutable what contains the game.exe as compressed content... on launch it will be extracted and on close deleted =/

to write an launcher you can use "autoit", vb.net, C#, or another language
with that launcher you can also build an downloader for patches... =/

Krow · Commander **Joined**: 30 Jan 2010 **Location**: Malaysia

That's a lot of work just to have a loading sequence. Just use what you already have. No need to go through all that mess. Unless you want to. #Tongue

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Exley · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject:

vb.net ?
c# ?

you kidding me ?

to run that crap, especially on XP or older, user would have
to download 200 MB of useless junk for your 300kb loader

good way to pollute something normal

^Rampastein · Rampastring **Joined**: 11 Oct 2008 **Location**: Gensokyo

Exley wrote:

vb.net ?
c# ?

you kidding me ?

to run that crap, especially on XP or older, user would have
to download 200 MB of useless junk for your 300kb loader

good way to pollute something normal

Guess the two most succesful TS mods hosted in our community aren't normal then (both DTA and TI will use the same Launcher created by Nyerguds and me).

I'm fairly sure almost all of the world's XP PCs have .NET Framework v2 installed, and it's also included with Vista and Windows 7. I can partially understand the problem with .NET 3.0 and newer, but with .NET 2.0 there shouldn't be an issue (or if there is, get a system that can be actually called modern). Generally, I'm not getting the hate towards .NET; if you don't have it, just spend one hour on downloading and installing it and you can forget it for a long while. For developers, C# allows faster and easier development than something like C++.

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MrTweek · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject:

Exley wrote:

vb.net ?
c# ?

you kidding me ?

to run that crap, especially on XP or older, user would have
to download 200 MB of useless junk for your 300kb loader

good way to pollute something normal

.Net is that libary what gives an Developers functions and methods, that can be used on any language. it is replacing the old Win-API and you can use it in any language...

vb.net is the same like c# (not at 100%, vb.net doesnt allow unsafe-Code) when you are developing under c#, you also understand vb.net.

C# is also used on devices like the Xbox360... Openra is written in C#. when we go 10 years back, you had to write 50 lines of Program-Code for an empty Windows Form!

Windows XP Professional has .net Framework 2.0 (the Mediacenter Edition has 2.0 SP1)

win7 has already .net framework 1.0 - 3.5 included, firstly it worse an idea to write an launcher... you can choose witch version of .net is required and used for your application! (in this case im using every times .net 2.0)

Exley · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject:

no xp doesn't have 2
it doesn't even have 1.1
check your knowledge

and .net is proven dog shit

MrTweek · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject:

Quote:

check your knowledge

Xp since SP2 have .NET 1.1 also installed, check your Installation-CD there is a folder named DOTNETFX and contains .Net 1.1 and SP 1 for 1.1.

In your I386-Folder there is an (maybe compressed) File named SVCPACK.INF or SVCPACK.IN_what contains this

Code:

[Version]
Signature="$Windows NT$"

[SetupData]
CatalogSubDir="i386\hotfixes"

[ProductCatalogsToInstall]

[SetupHotfixesToRun]
"DOTNETFX\DOTNETFX.EXE /qn"
"DOTNETFX\LANGPACK.EXE /qn"
...

This File will be readed at "Registering Components" and installs .NET when you dont have this folder or/and this file, then you have indeed no .NET 1.1 or 2.0 =/

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^Rampastein · Rampastring **Joined**: 11 Oct 2008 **Location**: Gensokyo

Exley wrote:

and .net is proven dog shit

I'd like to hear some facts (why is it that bad?) instead of trolling without arguments. If you're whining about performance compared to C/C++, it doesn't really mean anything if a program starts up in 20 ms or 40 ms. For probably 95% of programs, the performance difference doesn't matter because today's systems are simply fast enough to make the difference unnoticable in normal use. The performance of .NET is even fast enough for 3d games using something like SharpDX, unless you're creating something like the next Crysis.

The disk space is also no issue (who cares about 200 MB when a standard PC nowadays has 500+ GB of HDD space?), and programs running under .NET can also be compiled to run on non-Windows platforms using Mono.

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MrTweek · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:13 pm Post subject:

^Rampastein wrote:

Exley wrote:

and .net is proven dog shit

I'd like to hear some facts (why is it that bad?) instead of trolling without arguments.

i can understand Exley, then he is using only the compiled versions of the applications. witch are linking to these Libaries when he is beginning development of applications, he will see the "Picking Facts and abilities" of this Framework... normaly the user dont see thees abilities

^Rampastein · Rampastring **Joined**: 11 Oct 2008 **Location**: Gensokyo

MrTweek wrote:

i can understand Exley, then he is using only the compiled versions of the applications.

Even then, downloading 200 MB should be no issue. After that, he won't be noticing any difference between native programs and managed programs in how they run.

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MrTweek · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject:

200MB are nothing rather than Visual Studio with 2 -4 GB O.O

Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

wooosh, over my head lol

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Exley · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:37 am Post subject:

MrTweek
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my XP RTM doesn't have that, thus it doesn't come with it

^Rampastein
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its not native code
its not optimized (JIT compilation - disgusting)
its easier to decompile thus easier to exploit
it requires additional framework to be downloaded for few kb app

if you analyze both vista and win7 (to which .net was bread and butter component)
they use it only in 2 things, 1 is MCE component and 2 is MediaIntegrationLayer which is tied with DWM
and that's it, there is nothing else that NT 6 uses it for

so if its so advanced and good, why do they not use it in major
components or features ? Smile

theres end of my "troll"
the only reason its being used is because it was enforced onto people via visual studio's after 6

Graion Dilach · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject:

Eh, relying on Mono as .NET equvivalent ain't correct due to .NET is already on 4.5, while Mono was somewhere between 2.0 and 3.0 last time I checked.

Visual Studios after 6 does NOT enforce .NET (except C#) but yea, the main reason why it became so popular is the Windows support. And IMHO, C# has so many built-in library functions which just makes the developers lazier.

Have to acknowledge that right now .NET is a good thing on the market just due to C#, because programmers are easier to train upon those (but I kinda feel a decrease in quality as well).

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