that is a rather unelegant way don't you think? MOreso I think that this wouldn't be the go to way of users of the forum to look for voxel or shp files :/
I do not think it would benefit the overall quality of the forum - a subfolder within the MediaHut/SHP's/Buildings,Units,Infantry etc would be better, cleaner and more long lasting and appealing I think.
I'm pretty sure subfolders won't be added. For that exist the hashtags.
Unfortunately they need editing of every topic to add the correct ones, which so far no one had found time to do.
So feel free to create post with them ordered into different categories, making it easier for the admin/mods to add the hashtags. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:20 am Post subject:
Just to point out, subfolders won't be added as LKO said. We do have an alternative solution, which is, at the moment, too much hard to keep up to date, which is the key words system.
Other categories do exist, however, there won't be any results for them as far as I tried. We need to find an easier way to determine those key words. So far, we have this as a standard for voxels and anything related. QUICK_EDIT
Good to know, but when you state, that it is too hard to keep up, subfolders seem to be a more logical way to me. Considering that this would be the goto ordering system we all use in our folders on our computers. QUICK_EDIT
I agree with Ich-Henker, but now this would be lot of work to reorganize as it was like this for long time. Organization such as YRArg for example or MadHQ' site would be better at least. Now we have Shps (with spotlighted subforum), and everything is thrown there, buildings, infantry, animations.... In voxels we have everything be it land, air or naval. So often ,as result of so many folders there, we see people being happy and thanks for someone when bump old topic because he could not find that specific resource a it is old and pushed away by tons of newer resources. Separating would help little, but as I said, it would be tons of work now, maybe it is not worth _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
A similar amount of work would be necessary to create and move everything in subfolders as with adding keywords to each uploaded asset.
Except keywords also improve the search function, which is a big bonus.
When people look for a certain unit, they usually don't care if it's VXL or SHP, which the search via keywords would offer. Not with subfolders.
Subfolders might also turn into a pretty deep hierarchy mess when you want to separate stuff in a finer controlled way with houses, special logics (deployable) etc.
-SHP
--Naval
---Soviet
----deployable
All that is no problem with keywords. (Once they are added to each asset/topic) _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Categorizing voxels may work but people put pack/bundle of voxels which would have all of those land, air etc. Also SHP can have crates, trees etc. which don't fall in those mentioned categories.
Would have liked a subforum for Others under media-hut for like terrain stuff, palettes, VPL etc. which are not shp or voxels. QUICK_EDIT
This alone would greatly simplify the browsing process, because as of now it is just unstructured, everything is scrambled in one big folder, which is not a desirable state.
To argue that a system (keywords) that is not in place and is not used is better then a system that could be more straightforward and accessible is not an argument because a system that is not used does not have any effect and is so to speak non existant or only structurally existent.
A subfolder system does not require keywords to be added by uploaders, they would just post it in the right subfolder - in this case allied,soviet,yuri,neutral - would not be difficult.
The usage in the search function is indeed a good point.
Here is an example for a good ordering scheme I think:
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:35 pm Post subject:
@E1 Elite: I'm still deciding if I'll create an Others category or just Terrain. Palletes, VPLs, etc can all go under Media Hut itself.
@Ich-Henker: You should consider cutting this mentality that PPM only covers Red Alert 2 and Tiberian Sun modding. This is not how it works, even if those are the most popular games here.
And right now, it is just unstructured, because the key words system is being misused. QUICK_EDIT
that is a wrong assumption which tries to illigitimize my points - why that? I am just debating a better ordering practice for the keyword system has failed (here) in practice. I think that was quite unnecessary.
It is a very simple and logical approach and I try to give good arguments. Other forums can have different folders no problems with that, making one forum better does not hinder anything, it just improves the overall quality of the side.
Guess you do not like the idea of improving the order in the RA2 MediaHut? Because i do not see how to make people using the keyword system now - so everything just stays as is - is that your position?
Otherwise i cannot understand that assumption of yours.
As i said before, i would like to help and dedicate time to it - this is such a simple matter isn't it: a webpage and it's way of ordering a subfolder for modding a videogame: if this results in such a futile and stubborn debate i guess i quit - that is a waste of time. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 2:46 am Post subject:
I do appreciate your interest on helping this place to be better. Sure, I do. The problem is when you do assumptions that doesn't fit our reality, like the one I'm quoting below:
Ich-Henker wrote:
Guess you do not like the idea of improving the order in the RA2 MediaHut?
There is no RA2 Media Hut. Media Hut should work for any moddable game in the world that we can cover here. It is not even restricted to the Command & Conquer franchise.
Furthermore, you are asking for a solution for a problem that we had being trying to approach through another way.
Ich-Henker wrote:
Because i do not see how to make people using the keyword system now - so everything just stays as is - is that your position?
The situation here is simple: it is actually up to me and the moderators (specially me) to get these key words working and, truth to be said, it demands a lot of work, which I am being lazy to deal with.
Anyway, these submitted resources may, on some situations, fit in more than one of the categories that you've mentioned above. So, technically, the key words system is more appropriate for it. I'll eventually develop a supervised AI to make my job easier with that, but right now I have other priorities in my life. QUICK_EDIT
I understand your points but logically speaking: why not make a media hut within the red alert 2 editing folder and one in the tiberium sun folder etc. I could send all the links for I had to make a lot of crediting links in my readme file.
You know, I came across this issue with the unordered nature of the hut while crediting my sources for my mod; it was days of work and very unpleasing. Secondly modding needs a lot of order and cleanlyness of your code and your digital work environment so to see that media hut was even more unpleasing.
So, we do not change anything?
Anyway, all the best and respect to you and your work. QUICK_EDIT
because SHPs would work for both games. VXL are also sometimes used in the other game.
Why don't you continue Anderwin's topics that i linked above?
Add to each a post which has stuff ordered as you see fit.
It would then allow in future a much quicker edit of those topics to add keywords.
All your suggestions just mean the same amount of work as the already started keywords system, with the difference of being inferior to keywords.
You don't move topics from the current media hut into subfolders.
Keywords is the way to go. If you want to see something done quicker, find a way to reduce the work the admin/mods to add them to the topics. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
As i see it: the keyword system must be maintained by mods for normal uploaders do not use it. A subfolder could be used more intuitively by uploaders. The keyword system is not going anywhere- It went nowhere is stagnant and will not likely be used. My way would eliminate work for mods in the future.
I think the link is ugly and cluddered again: a long list, tiberium sun and red alert together...I mean, if this stubborn way of clinging to the known keeps persisting, mixed with semi-logical justifications, i may do what you proposed in order to help a bit but it is not very desirable to me, so i try to foster what i think would be best even though i am met with resentiment - i keep all the options in mind and hope the debate leads to something:
Once the keyword system becomes attached to most resources via updating/reorganizing the lists Anderwin started, it can become the de facto system for finding what you need and users will know what keywords to connect to their resource and if they don't, they can ask. Currently it's just very unknown to most of the people because none of the old content is connected to it. That can change and the system will be useable. The system you want is nice and used by plenty of other sites, but it would require almost a complete redo of media hut which is far more work than its worth considering there's a working system already in place. _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
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Considering that this would be the goto ordering system we all use in our folders on our computers.
